Lesson: Nous trouvons que vous ....... trop de bruit. We think you make too much noise. I used the subjonctif of fassiez and you say it’s faites which doesn’t seem to be subjonctif. This notebook lesson doesn’t help with my issue. What do I have wrong? Thanks for your help.
Look at these expressions of positive and negative (using negations) opinions (i.e. using affirmative or negative sentences):
Note that with the following expressions of opinion, the mode of the following verb changes whether the opinion is expressed in an affirmative or negative form (using negative structures like ne...pas etc).
penser que + Indicatif (to think that) / ne pas penser que + Subjonctif
trouver que (to find that)
savoir que (to know that)
croire que (to believe that)
prétendre que (to claim that)
Note that many people nowadays happen to make the mistake of using the Indicative mode instead of the Subjunctive. But that's not a reason to do it yourself!
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Q&A Forum 6 questions, 11 answers
Hi Liz,
It is because,
'Nous trouvons que vous ...
is affirmative and not negative so it will be followed by the present indicative -
....faites trop de bruit.'
Hope this helps!
Liz asked:View original
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Lesson: Nous trouvons que vous ....... trop de bruit. We think you make too much noise. I used the subjonctif of fassiez and you say it’s faites which doesn’t seem to be subjonctif. This notebook lesson doesn’t help with my issue. What do I have wrong? Thanks for your help.
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MichaelKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Improve the quiz questions
Both quiz questions are affirmative statements using verbs that do not use the subjunctive in the affirmative.
Thus, the answers do not use the subjunctive.
But the lesson is about using these verbs in the subjunctive in negative statements.
Asked 10 months ago
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Maybe it's a bit of a trick question, geared at making you recognize the difference? Just guessing.
GruffKwiziq team member
Chris is correct - this lesson has a mix of questions in the affirmative and negative to test both cases are understood. However, the microkwiz may only be showing a small selection which is misleading. It may be possible to test this differently though, so we'll look into it. Thanks for the feedback!
Michael asked:View original
Improve the quiz questions
Both quiz questions are affirmative statements using verbs that do not use the subjunctive in the affirmative.
Thus, the answers do not use the subjunctive.
But the lesson is about using these verbs in the subjunctive in negative statements.
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KatyaKwiziq community member
subjunctive for croire
Hello, If I want to ask "do you think that we will win?" do I use the subjunctive even though it's in the future?
That is, do I say: "Crois-tu qu'on gagne?" or similarly "crois-tu que nous gagnions?"
OR do I say "Crois-tu qu'on va gagner?"/ "Crois-tu que nous allons gagner?"
Merci en avance,
Katya
Asked 2 years ago
Hi katya ,
Indeed as Chris says and as stated in the lesson you refer to, you only use the subjunctive after a negative use of croire ( and then not always). In the example you give, it will be,
Tu crois qu'on va gagner?
Hope this helps!
Ron Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Bonjour Katya,
Here is a link on this site that explains the usage of the subjonctif:
https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/subjunctive/
Aussi, il y a l'explication suivant:
Emploi du subjonctif
Le subjonctif est un mode utilisé pour exprimer un doute, un fait souhaité, une action incertaine qui n'a donc pas été réalisée au moment où nous nous exprimons.
Le subjonctif s'emploie avec des verbes exprimant l'envie, le souhait, le désir, l'émotion, l'obligation, le doute ou l'incertitude.
Exemples :
- J'aimerais qu'il soit là.
- Il faut que tu ailles aux urgences.
- Il est possible qu'il vienne en train.
So, because this is a «guess» or uncertainty, doubt as to whether or not the team will win, the subjonctif would be proper usage.
Crois-tu qu'on gagne?
Crois-tu que nous gagnions?
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Croire only uses the subjunctive when used in a negative sense, as in: "Je ne crois pas qu'il vienne." -- I don't believe that he comes. Otherwise you use the indiciative mood: "Je crois qu'il vient." or "Tu crois qu'il vient?"
In your example, therefore, you would use the indicative. The use of "on" instead of "nous" in this example makes it sound a bit more colloquial and everyday. Also, the future proche expresses a more immediate future than the future simple. Either one will be correct, it depends on context.
So if you're sitting next to a friend watching a soccer match of your team, you would most likely say: "Tu crois qu'on va gagner?"
-- Chris (not a native speaker).
Katya asked:View original
subjunctive for croire
Hello, If I want to ask "do you think that we will win?" do I use the subjunctive even though it's in the future?
That is, do I say: "Crois-tu qu'on gagne?" or similarly "crois-tu que nous gagnions?"
OR do I say "Crois-tu qu'on va gagner?"/ "Crois-tu que nous allons gagner?"
Merci en avance,
Katya
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AurélieKwiziq team member
Nicholas asked: "Pourquoi il n'y a pas un ne explétif ?"
"Nous ne trouvons pas que vous fassiez trop de bruit." (We don't think you make too much noise.)
Asked 3 years ago
AurélieKwiziq team member
Bonjour Nicholas !
You won't use the "ne explétif" in sentences where the main verb (before "que") is already in the negative form.
À bientôt !
Aurélie asked:View original
Nicholas asked: "Pourquoi il n'y a pas un ne explétif ?"
"Nous ne trouvons pas que vous fassiez trop de bruit." (We don't think you make too much noise.)
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JenniferKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Il faut qu'ils sachent conduire
Just to test it. Is the rule as follows. If these verbs are preceded with something like il faut subjuntive, if not and positive, indicative, if not and negative subjunctive, subjunctive? Eg il faut qu'ils sachent conduire, ils savent conduire, ils ne sachent pas conduire. Correct or not please?
Asked 3 years ago
LauraKwiziq team member
Bonjour Jennifer,
No, that's not how it works.
The subjunctive/indicative question only comes up when there's a relative clause - that is, "verb + que + verb." The first verb is what determines whether the second verb has to be subjunctive.
Il faut que always needs the subjunctive: Il faut qu'il sache, Il ne faut pas qu'il sache, Il faut qu'il ne sache pas.
The lesson you asked this question about is on a particular set of verbs that require the indicative when the verb is affirmative, but the subjunctive when it's negative.
Je pense qu'il le sait --> Je ne pense pas qu'il le sache.
Ils savent conduire / Ils ne savent pas conduire - no subjunctive because there's no que.
You might like to take a look at some more explanatory lessons:
Introduction to French subjunctive
A simple little lesson on the French subjunctive
Jennifer asked:View original
Il faut qu'ils sachent conduire
Just to test it. Is the rule as follows. If these verbs are preceded with something like il faut subjuntive, if not and positive, indicative, if not and negative subjunctive, subjunctive? Eg il faut qu'ils sachent conduire, ils savent conduire, ils ne sachent pas conduire. Correct or not please?
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SueKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
I don't think!
Would there be much of a difference between. I don't think it is interesting and I think it is not interesting. The first would be wth subjunctive and the second with the indicative. Would there be any preference to use one rather than the other. Would there be a slight change in meaning? thankyou.
Asked 3 years ago
LauraKwiziq team member
Bonjour Sue,
It's exactly the same difference in meaning in French and English. I think it is not interesting / Je pense qu'il n'est pas intéressant is stronger but much less common.
Sue asked:View original
I don't think!
Would there be much of a difference between. I don't think it is interesting and I think it is not interesting. The first would be wth subjunctive and the second with the indicative. Would there be any preference to use one rather than the other. Would there be a slight change in meaning? thankyou.
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