Je me suis fait ,above, should be Je me suis faite? to be comsistent?

FrancisC1Kwiziq community member

Je me suis fait ,above, should be Je me suis faite? to be comsistent?

inconsistent?

Francis

Asked 1 year ago
CélineKwiziq team memberCorrect answer

Bonjour Francis,

In “Je me suis fait une promesse”‘fait’ doesn’t agree with its subject because, in this instance, it is part of French verbs which are occasionally pronominal. As such it follows the same rule of agreement that is used for Le Passé Composé with ‘avoir’: agreement if the verb is preceded by a direct object.

To find it out you need to do the following: is there a direct object (which can be the reflexive pronoun or something else)? And ask the usual question: verb + qui? or verb + quoi? Is it before or after the verb?

- agreement if direct object and reflexive pronoun match one another

Elles se sont insultées = they insulted each other
insulter qui? → se = reflexive pronoun → in French before the verb =                                                                                                         agreement
insulted who? → each other = se → In French before the verb = agreement

- no agreement if direct object and reflexive pronoun don’t match

Elle s’est fixé des objectifs she set herself some objectives
fixer quoi? des objectifs → in French after the verb = no agreement
set what? → some objectives → in French after the verb = no agreement

Je me suis fait une promesse = I made myself one promise
faire quoi? → une promesse → in French after the verb = no agreement
make what? → one promise → in French after the verb = no agreement

I hope this is helpful.

Bonne journée!

MaartenC1 Kwiziq Q&A super contributor

Assuming there isn't a typo here, I think this is because «je me suis fait..» is considered to be in the causative, and in that case the past participle «fait» is invariable. Hence the gender of «l'astronaute» (masc. and fem. noun) does not affect this. (The gender of the writer doesn't affect the translation anywhere that I can see)

https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/faire-causative-2/

https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/faire-reflexive-causative/

Happy to be corrected if I have the explanation wrong !

MaartenC1 Kwiziq Q&A super contributor

On review, the reason for non-agreement may be 'easier' than that. If there is a direct object following reflexive verbs (se faire), there is no agreement of the past participle, following the same rules as passé composé conjugations with avoir. See part C on this link (Alan posted a general link in another discussion previously) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_verbs#Past_participle_agreement

MaartenC1 Kwiziq Q&A super contributor

Céline - that is the best discussion with examples that I have seen on this topic. It should all be incorporated into releveant lessons or at least linked from them.

Je me suis fait ,above, should be Je me suis faite? to be comsistent?

inconsistent?

Francis

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