Passive simple,when used without auxiliary

John W.B1Kwiziq community member

Passive simple,when used without auxiliary

I am doing B1 French and reading Camus La Peste( hard going sometimes) On page 173 he says"elles suffirent" which I take to mean they were enough,and I struggled with the conjugation but I found it as passive simple on the Lawless website. I interrogated Gemini AI and it suggested that passive simple is a compound tense requiring auxiliary from etre...despite its name. It also suggested Camus often used passe simple in a stylistic for without the auxiliary. So,is the Lawless conjugation right,and is elles suffirent passe simple, and please,what is going on?


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Maarten K.C1 Kwiziq Q&A super contributor Correct answer

John, 

Laura is correct - the passé simple as a ' simple tense/mood ' is by definition ' simple ', not compound. Others include the present tense, imparfait etc 

Only ' compound tenses/moods ' include an auxiliary verb.

https://french.kwiziq.com/revision/glossary/verb-types/verbes-auxiliaires

 

https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/verb-tense/ 

When I asked Google AI ' was passé simple ever a compound tense ', it answered as expected :

" AI Overview

No, the French passé simple was never a compound tense, but it is a literary equivalent of the passé composé, which is a compound tense: "

John W.B1Kwiziq community member

Many thanks Maarten,that makes a great deal of sense now. 

CécileNative French expert teacher in Kwiziq

Hi John,

Just to add to Maarten's excellent answer you might want to discover what compound tenses are on our lesson -

Temps composé

Please also note that it is 'passé' (past) simple,  as 'passive' means a totally different thing in grammar.

John W.B1Kwiziq community member

Thanks Cécile. It's a strange thing but in England ,for GCSE (A1/A2) the passé simple is not really used,and I think it's called the passé historique. Pretty well all the time they use imperfect, passé composé or pluperfect and I can recognise these for past actions but I am really surprised that nobody talks about passé simple for past actions which are completed.Very rarely in books have I seen what I now know is the passé simple, so many thanks for your answer.

CécileNative French expert teacher in Kwiziq

Hi John,

You might be interested in reading my answer to a question about the relevance of the past historic tense nowadays -

https://french.kwiziq.com/questions/view/is-passe-simple-used-often-in-today-s-times

Bonne Continuation !

 

John W. asked:

Passive simple,when used without auxiliary

I am doing B1 French and reading Camus La Peste( hard going sometimes) On page 173 he says"elles suffirent" which I take to mean they were enough,and I struggled with the conjugation but I found it as passive simple on the Lawless website. I interrogated Gemini AI and it suggested that passive simple is a compound tense requiring auxiliary from etre...despite its name. It also suggested Camus often used passe simple in a stylistic for without the auxiliary. So,is the Lawless conjugation right,and is elles suffirent passe simple, and please,what is going on?


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