I really don't understand why this can't be translated as "Whom does she see?" It was marked wrong yet it seems to be following all the rules. I'm confused and would appreciate an answer.
In the following cases, the person is NOT the one doing the action, but is the object of the action -> Whom does someone meet, see...?
Note how we can ask whom in three different ways:
1-
You can use qui followed by the inverted form of the verb. (Whom does she like?)
2-
You can use qui after the normal sentence. (literally: She likes whom?)
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And you can use the longer form with qui est-ce que ... ? (literally: who is it whom she likes?).
This one is never followed by the inverted form.
This one is never followed by the inverted form.
ATTENTION:
You can also sometimes encounter the form c'est qui que, however, this is NOT really grammatically correct!
See also Questions: Qui, qui est-ce qui = Who ?
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Examples and resources
C'est qui que tu as rencontré?
Whom did you meet?
Qui est-ce qu'elle aime?
Whom does she like?
Tu as rencontré qui?
Whom did you meet?
C'est qui qu'elle aime?
Whom does she like?
Qui est-ce que tu as rencontré?
Whom did you meet?
Elle aime qui?
Whom does she like?
Qui as-tu rencontré?
Whom did you meet?
Qui aime-t-elle?
Whom does she like?
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You would say Qui voit-elle? The word order is incorrect in your example sentence.
Joanne asked:View original
Voit-elle qui
I really don't understand why this can't be translated as "Whom does she see?" It was marked wrong yet it seems to be following all the rules. I'm confused and would appreciate an answer.
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StewartKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Who and Whom difference? - correction to question
Sorry the question should have readIn my part the UK we never use 'whom' only 'who' so I'm lost as to when to use 'Qui est-ce que' and when to use 'Qui est-ce qui'. Could you please help.
Asked 1 year ago
GruffKwiziq team member
Hi Stewart - yes, increasingly 'whom' is disappearing from use in English, however it's well worth understanding the difference as it will help with you comprehension of French enormously. It's not difficult to grasp because it's the same distinction as 'he' versus 'him' so if you substitute one of those words into a sentence you can usually see which it ought to be.
Sometimes you have to change the order a bit to do this: For example:
"[Who/whom] should I give the apples to?" -> Should I give the apples to HIM (obviously not "he") therefore Should I give the apples to him, and therefore "To whom should I give the apples?"
Once you grasp that "whom" is plays the same role in a sentence as "him" and "who" the same role as "he" it becomes pretty easy to see which one is/ought to be used. [the grammar terms for these are relative subject and relative object pronouns if you want to read further].
In French, this distinction is very important, not disappearing at all, so by tapping into an older style / formal English you get a lot of value back.
Hopefully that makes sense?
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
It is a common trait of Romance languages that they are weak on nominal cases but strong on tenses. English, as well, has lost most traces of noun declension. One of the remaining traces is the difference between "who" and "whom". In short, the difference is that "who" is used for the subject and "whom" for the object. One simple test is to replace the person in question with "I" or "me". If "I" is the correct form, then you should use "who". If it is "me", then "whom" is correct. Here are some examples:
Anne met me at the beach. -- Anne met whom at the beach? (me --> whom)
I met Marc at the movies. -- Who met Marc at the movies? (I--> who)
In "Qui est-ce qui..." the second "qui" is the subject of the following clause, hence you would translate it as "who". On the other hand, in "Qui est-ce que..." the "que" is the object of what follows, so you need "whom" in English. Again, let's demonstrate how this works using an example or two:
Who is playing the piano? -- Qui est-ce qui joue du piano? (qui is the subject)
Whom are you waiting for? -- Qui est-ce que tu attends? (que is the object)
I hope that helps a bit.
-- Chris (not a native speaker).
Chris Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Ah, Gruff's excellent post appeared just as I was writing mine. Sorry.
-- Chris.
Dr MichaelKwiziq community member
Normally after « qui » in a sentence, you have a verb. Qui est là ? Qui t’intéresses? Paul m’intéresse.
Normally after « que » in a sentence, you have a noun or object. Qu’est ce que tu désires? C’est de la glace que je voudrais.
Exemples:
Jean, c’est quelqu’un que j’admire. MAIS. Jean, c’est quelqu’un qui aime son travail.
Le restaurant qu’elle aime est fermé.
C’est quelqu’un que tu n’as jamais rencontré.
C’est toujours toi qui as raison.
Avec toi, c’est toujours moi qui ai tort.
Dans ce film, il y a un acteur que je déteste
Est-ce que ses exemples t’aident un peu. Je sais que mon explication n’est pas la meilleure, mais ça aide à écrire correctement des phrases. Qui est un sujet de la phrase ou la question, tandis que que représente un objet dans la phrase.
Bon courage et bonne continuation!
Stewart asked:View original
Who and Whom difference? - correction to question
Sorry the question should have readIn my part the UK we never use 'whom' only 'who' so I'm lost as to when to use 'Qui est-ce que' and when to use 'Qui est-ce qui'. Could you please help.
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StewartKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Who and Whom difference?
In my part the UK we never use 'whom' only 'who' so I'm lost as to when to use 'Qui est-ce que' and 'Qui est-ce que'. Could you please help.
Asked 1 year ago
GruffKwiziq team member
Hi Stewart
Yes, it's unfortunate that whom is slipping out of use, as the distinction is very important in French. The good news is, it's very easy to grasp because the difference between who and whom is exactly the same as the difference between he and him.
The trick is to rearrange a sentence in your head and see if he or him fits best, and that tells you which pronoun to use in French.
For example one of these forms used to be 'whom':
Who's that? Oh, He's that guy from ... (Not: Him's that guy...)
Who did you meet? Him. (Not: I met he.)
So, it's easy to see that the second one (in years gone by) would have been:
Whom did you meet?
Note: The distinction here is between the subject pronoun ('he') and the object pronoun ('him'). If grammar jargon like subject and object are still a bit vague, then you might find this explainer video helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z_0Dtnon0c
Hope that's helpful!
Stewart asked:View original
Who and Whom difference?
In my part the UK we never use 'whom' only 'who' so I'm lost as to when to use 'Qui est-ce que' and 'Qui est-ce que'. Could you please help.
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RichaKwiziq community member
There is a question in one of the tests. Where is qui is not accepted as the answer . Why so?
The question is pasted below. Why the answer should be Qu'est-ce qui and not qui while in the lesson both are used interchangably.
____________________vous avez envie de revoir ?
Who[m] do you want to see again?
Asked 1 year ago
Hi Richa,
there are three ways to ask a question in French.
Here they all are using your sentence as an example:
1) Qui est-ce que vous avez envie de revoir ? -- using "est-ce que"
2) Vous avez envie de revoir qui ? -- using intonation
3) Qui avez-vous envie de revoir ? -- using inversion
You see that if you want to use "qui" without "est-ce que", you need to use the inverted form (the third one) to ask your question, which is different from what the test expects you to answer.
Hence only the first form can be correct.
-- Chris (not a native speaker).
RichaKwiziq community member
I am sorry i made a mistake in my question, i meant 'Qui est-ce que' and not Qu'est-ce qui.
Richa asked:View original
There is a question in one of the tests. Where is qui is not accepted as the answer . Why so?
The question is pasted below. Why the answer should be Qu'est-ce qui and not qui while in the lesson both are used interchangably.
____________________vous avez envie de revoir ?
Who[m] do you want to see again?
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Ron Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
C'est qui que?
So I was just listening to Monsieur Grognon in the listening exercise and then I read the transcript. In the second paragraphe there is this phrase:
«D’ailleurs, il n’a pas eu de conversation avec qui que ce soit
depuis des années. . . .» I recalled from the lesson above that the «c'est qui que» is grammatically incorrect. So, exactly how frequent is this phrase used in everyday French?
Merci en avance.
Asked 2 years ago
Bonjour Ron !
Actually here the phrase is qui que ce soit, which literally means "who[m] who might be" and is used in the sense of any/no body whatsoever :)
You can also use quoi que ce soit = any/no thing whatsoever
I hope that's helpful!
Bonne journée !
Actually here the phrase is qui que ce soit, which literally means "who[m] who might be" and is used in the sense of any/no body whatsoever :)
You can also use quoi que ce soit = any/no thing whatsoever
I hope that's helpful!
Bonne journée !
Ron Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Ah. I see the difference. I am familiar with quoi que ce soit, but have never run across, in my readings, qui que ce soit.
Merci, Aurélie. J'ai appris quelque chose nouvelle.
Bonne journée.
Ron asked:View original
C'est qui que?
So I was just listening to Monsieur Grognon in the listening exercise and then I read the transcript. In the second paragraphe there is this phrase:
«D’ailleurs, il n’a pas eu de conversation avec qui que ce soit
depuis des années. . . .» I recalled from the lesson above that the «c'est qui que» is grammatically incorrect. So, exactly how frequent is this phrase used in everyday French?
Merci en avance.
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Incorrect examples
Would be helpful to not include the incorrect forms in the examples in the lower part of the page: "C'est qui que tu as rencontré?" Otherwise, feels like it's reinforcing incorrect options.
Asked 2 years ago
Ron Kwiziq Q&A super contributor
Bonjour Barb,
If I am understanding your concern correctly, it appears in the example that the usage depicted might possibly be heard at times, hence it is good to know about it; however, it is an incorrect form usage, which is also good to know. I do fully understand the phrase that not all French people who are native speakers use the language correctly. This also holds true for native English speakers who do not use the language correctly; however, it is good to know and be able to recognize incorrect speech, at least in my opinion.
J'espère que cela vous aiderait.
Bonne chance.
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It was great to know about it - really liked this section of the lesson: "ATTENTION: You can also sometimes encounter the form c'est qui que, however, this is NOT really grammatically correct!"
But then in the "EXAMPLES AND RESOURCES" section - which is what I use to practice how to speak correctly, the grammatically incorrect examples were mixed with correct ones. It drove me to practice the incorrect ones too -- until I remembered the "attention note" and mentally crossed them out for practice.
No biggie, just a note.
Barb asked:View original
Incorrect examples
Would be helpful to not include the incorrect forms in the examples in the lower part of the page: "C'est qui que tu as rencontré?" Otherwise, feels like it's reinforcing incorrect options.
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AdrienneKwiziq community member
Should lesson title be "Qui / Qui est-ce que" (not ...est-ce qui?)
Asked 2 years ago
LauraKwiziq team member
Bonjour Adrienne,
Yes, you're absolutely right - I've fixed the typo. Bonne continuation !
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JoakimKwiziq Q&A regular contributor
Qui vs que
In this lesson, I would like to see something about the difference between 'qui est-ce que' and 'qui est-ce qui'
Asked 3 years ago
AurélieKwiziq team member
Bonjour Joakim,
Indeed, the link to the related lesson on "Qui est-ce qui ?" was not showing properly here!
But it does now: have a look at the bottom of this lesson:
https://french.kwiziq.com/revision/grammar/how-to-ask-whom-qui-qui-est-ce-que-questions
A bientôt !
Joakim asked:View original
Qui vs que
In this lesson, I would like to see something about the difference between 'qui est-ce que' and 'qui est-ce qui'
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